Recent Guests on Integral Naked
Integral Naked continues to be an excellent source of stimulating content and provocative conversations with the world's greatest thinkers, leaders, artists, and visionaries. Here's a reminder of some of the most recent dialogues, with free samples in case you missed them. Be sure to stay tuned to the IN Podcast for more weekly audio updates....
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Deepak Chopra - Buddha: A Story of Enlightenment (click here to listen)
In his latest book, Buddha: A Story of Enlightenment, Deepak offers us his own creative vision for how it may have felt—from the inside, in first-person narrative—for Gautama Buddha during his search for, and realization of, spiritual Enlightenment. But not everyone is thrilled about Deepak’s treatment of the founder of this great tradition. Deepak and Ken Wilber discuss many perspectives related to this naturally sensitive subject, in search of a more comprehensive and integral view.
"I can tell you how it all began: In 1980, I was sitting in Madison Square Garden listening to Krishnamurti—and I couldn’t understand what he said. And I thought, 'Maybe if I can understand what he's saying, then maybe I can explain it better for the general public….'"
Sharon Stone - Like a Fine Diamond.... (click here to listen)
The appeal of an Integral Approach spans a truly astonishing number of disciplines, communities, and professions—Hollywood being a perfect example. Sharon has had a rather extraordinary life and career, and together, Ken Wilber and Sharon walk through the first segment of this remarkable trajectory, touching in always with the orienting contours of an Integral View….
"We 'barbie dolls' are not supposed to behave the way I do. People like it so much more when you just smile and nod. But I really don't believe in the end that that's doing your best."
Lama Surya Das - Buddha Is as Buddha Does (click here to listen) (part 2)
If you had the opportunity to become a bodhisattva right now, would you take it? Would you at least like to learn what being a bodhisattva is all about? If the answer to either is "yes," we have a treat for you: Lama Surya Das' new book Buddha Is as Buddha Does is an extraordinary handbook for enlightened living, exploring ten practices essential to bodhisattvahood. Does your spiritual practice touch on all ten? And if we are truly going to be the most effective, compassionate bodhisattva possible, are we practicing a deeply integral spirituality, and touching on all quadrants, levels, lines, states, and types?
"With Heroic Effort you sometimes have to turn it over to a power greater than 'I,' and you stand aside—but it turns out that's also your own highest Self, so it heals the self/other dualism…."
Mike Murphy - The Secret of Transformation (click here to listen) (part 2)
Mike and Ken Wilber discuss a fascinating topic: reincarnation. As Mike comments, both he and Ken have more or less remained agnostic on the topic—except that now, there is a growing amount of evidence suggestive of the very real possibility of some kind of trans-migration between lives. Mike, for one, feels a moral obligation—despite some of his more “rational” misgivings (to put it one way)—to begin to tell the world what the data appears to point to, because to ignore it would actually be irrational, so why fight it?
"Big Mind is not Supermind. Someone can have this Big Mind experience, and go back to being the same ole sociopath—but not vice versa…."
Rabbi Zalman Schachter-Shalomi - God in the 21st Century (click here to listen) (part 2)
Does the fact that Moses didn't literally part the Red Sea mean that all spiritual and religious concerns are null, void, and illusory? This seems to be what a growing chorus of voices is saying, and whether cheering or jeering, the world is paying attention. Of course, it's not exactly a feat of extraordinary intellectual achievement to point out, for example, the fact that Jesus could not have been born of a biological virgin, nor could Lao Tzu have been 900 years old when he was born. As Reb Zalman mentions, it reads in the Zohar (one of the central texts of Jewish Kabbalah), "Anybody who reads the stories of the Bible as if they were literal stories has never entered into the real kingdom."
"This simple statement shows why strict scientific materialism doesn't work: 'I love my spouse.' Ok, so prove it. You can't, and yet you know it's real. Such is often the case when it comes to God and Spirit…."
Stuart Davis - Dual Civil Wars in the American Political Scene (click here to listen)
For the first time in history, a woman and an African American are the two most visible candidates for the American Presidency. Alongside this clearly progressive movement in modern politics is the almost-as-clearly regressive tilt to the past two presidential terms. As convenient as it might seem to simply divide these phenomena along party lines, an Integral analysis recognizes not only the dichotomy of Democrat and Republican, but also a hidden split in the heart of US politics, the effects of which will fundamentally determine the course of the world's most powerful nation in the coming years.
"The simple rule that Democrats are going to have to learn, or they're never going to elect anybody, is: when green (postmodern) attacks orange (modern), amber (traditional) wins."
Genpo Roshi - Big Mind, Big Heart (click here to listen)
As Genpo so clearly articulates, "We shouldn't stand in the shadows of our ancestors, we should stand on their shoulders." However, this sentiment isn't shared by everyone within the Zen Buddhist tradition, some of whom view innovations such as the Big Mind Process as irrelevant at best and a kind of heresy at worst—the great ancient Patriarchs crafted this teaching exactly as they intended, so don't mess with it. But, as Ken Wilber's strong praise gives hint, there are many voices both in and outside of Zen who believe that Big Mind Process is a novel, effective, and altogether genuine step forward in how we share and perceive spiritual realities, in any tradition—Buddhist or otherwise—that chooses to engage this extraordinarily adaptable technology.
"If we're just making the assumption that 'my consciousness can never possibly inhabit the same space that some of our extraordinary ancestors did'—they would be very disappointed in us."
Alex Grey - Integral Art: Two Kinds of Higher (click here to listen)
Not all art is created equal—although many postmodern boomeritis artists would have us believe exactly that. Different artists, and different pieces of art, represent, transmit, and resonate with decidedly deeper aspects of reality. As Ken Wilber and Alex discuss, there are two kinds of “deeper” or “higher” realities of which the art world knows almost nothing. As Ken explains, depth, height, and increasing orders of complexity and value are intrinsic to the Kosmos—you simply can’t get rid of the fact that more complex occasions transcend-and-include less complex occasions (cells transcend-and-include molecules and atoms, but not vice versa, and so cells are of a higher order). The leading edge of thought regarding depth as a crucial element of existence can be found in Ken’s Integral Spirituality, where one can see that there are two kinds of “higher”: one can be found in states of consciousness and one can be found in stages (structures) of consciousness. This has profound implications for the understanding and interpretation of art. Two artists may be accessing the same state of visionary creativity and then interpreting that profound state from two radically different stages of development. To the untrained eye, based on the similarly “far out” nature of the art involved, it may look like they’re “doing the same thing”—but they’re not, not at all, and only an Integral Approach can explain why….
"I was always looking at the fact that transcendental art was working on one major dimension—getting you to something higher. But now there are two kinds of higher!"





This is great stuff! Stay on
This is great stuff!
Stay on the path!
You're going in the right direction.
Ellen Sideri
The Word is getting around,
The Word is getting around, you have got the right latitude, keep growing stronger, Johnny, Peace, Love, Light and Joy . x X
I’m a Wilbur fan, and have
I’m a Wilbur fan, and have an interesting book by Alex Grey….however, I find their ideas on art leave me scratching my head a little bit.
It’s always a danger with ‘theories’ (and religious movements) that once a viewpoint is established it tends to be applied to all circumstances. A one size fits all approach. Having said that Wilbur’s views on aesthetics are important…..
To come to the point! - I’m bothered by the idea that ‘higher’ art is a more spiritual art, and that ‘spiritual art’ is art that deals with religious/higher consciousness subjects. For me the whole point of the arts is that they ARE integral, that is what art is about, and always has been - at least within the European context. A painting by Cezanne, for example, can be sexual (see early Cezanne in particular), affect the heart/emotions, is cerebral - great attention to structure - , and at times spiritual, especially in relation to the genre of still life. Most good art is like this, is fires on all cylinders, igniting all aspects of our being from the earthy and rooted to the higher levels of our awareness.
Fra Angelico (I mention him since Alex Grey brings him up in the pod cast) is spiritual, but is also very human (sometimes graphically so) in his visions of the Medieval Italy. Other points….
1) ‘Spiritual’ art - say of the far east - can be very simplistic, beautiful, but does tend to just fire on the higher levels of consciousness.
2) I’d rather have a good painting of a 19th century Parisian prostitute than a BAD painting of Jesus/the Virgin Mary, or some higher consciousness stuff - having a ‘vision’ and being in touch with higher states of consciousness doesn’t make a good artist, I’ve seen plenty of theosophical art which was very dull!! Wilbur has cited some pretty dubious artists as examples of spiritual/higher art.
3) There is a lot of ‘levels of complexity’ stuff going around with integral theory, which I agree with and think is really useful. But, a ‘spiritual’ Bach cantata is not more complex that one of the Brandenburg concertos - in terms of harmonic voicing and contrapuntal relationships etc. And I don’t see that Beethoven’s Missa Solemnis is a ‘higher’ work than the 9th Symphony.
So - I think that art is best when it is INTEGRAL, not merely attempting to be spiritual by painting visions from higher states of consciousness or religious subjects. After all, what artist (apart from some exceptions) ever tried to paint what they SAW (okay, that has to de with the structures of consciousness bit, which I think is very important stuff).
Apologies to Alex if this sounds critical, I’m sure he’s sincere. But theories are never a great help with art. They won’t make a bad serial composer good, and - for example - in Seurat’s case the optical theories he applied turned out to be incorrect, but it didn’t stop him producing wonderful art!
Please guys, leave art where you found it, it’s integral already.
Thanks, Graham
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